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Re: [Idr] Request to adopt draft-heitz-idr-large-community - Working Group Adoption call (9/6 to 9/20)

Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Thu, 15 September 2016 13:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] Request to adopt draft-heitz-idr-large-community - Working Group Adoption call (9/6 to 9/20)
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Mikael,

The reality is that if something is not urgent it never get's any attention
and never get's done neither by IETF nor by the vendors.

There always comes something urgent and more important on top.

So if we do not do things properly now we may as well forget about doing it
ever.

Cheers,
R.


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Robert Raszuk wrote:
>
> If this is so urgent have you considered to use extended community which
>> within 6 octets allow you to put both 4 octet AS and 2 octet for
>> meaningful
>> marker ? From that thread I got that context-as is not so critical for
>> large communities.
>>
>
> Of course people have considered that. If this was sufficient, people
> wouldn't come here screaming about needing 4+4 NOW. Well, it's not needed
> now, it was needed 5-10 years ago. People have returned 32bit ASNs to RIRs
> for years and years because they just weren't feature complete with 16 bit
> ASNs. Now we're out of 16bit ASNs, and we need 32bit ASNs to be feature
> complete, and we need it ASAP.
>
> We need a quick fix for this specific issue, then you can work on the
> "proper long term, extensible solution" in peace and quiet, and to get it
> right. It doesn't matter if that takes 12-18 months, and it takes another
> 12-18 months to get this into widely available running code. The issue is
> no longer urgent as the 32bit ASN issue then has a solution.
>
> --
> Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se
>

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