Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email author (was - Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC)
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Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 15:08:08 -0800
Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Identification of an email author (was - Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC)
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> On 11/7/2016 11:41 AM, Franck Martin wrote: > > The EAI WG found it was fine to remove the obligation to have an email > > address part in the mandatory RFC5322.From header, leaving only the > > display part to assert the original author. > We had that relaxed permission for From:, in the original > From/Sender/Reply-to specification of rfc733, with the requirement that > there be a Sender: email address. It looks like we removed it for rfc822. > And while I recall something of the EAI discussion, I'm not recalling > this permission's being returned. Nor am I finding it in rfc6854: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6854#section-2 > So, please point to the formal specification that permits a From: field > to have no email address. RFC 6854. > Absent that, there's the small question about how the EAI group would > have the authority to make such a major change to such a basic email > feature... RFC 6854 can speak for itself as to the rationale for allowing no address. The EAI connection was, as I recall, for use in downgrade formats used to present EAI messages to non-EAI clients via POP3 and IMAP4. Ned
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