Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Thu, 03 November 2016 15:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC
From: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
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Ted,

> What is _not_ okay, and totally not acceptable, is to continue
> allowing things to be broken after three years.

While I agree that it has been broken for a long time and would be good to fix, I note that understanding the problem does not mean there is a workable solution.  From reading this thread, it sounds to me that if there was a workable solution, it would have been fixed by now.  The potential solutions being proposed, appear to have side effect worse than than the original problem.

Good to hear that the IESG is actively discussing the issue.

Bob