Re: IETF Last Call for two IPR WG Dcouments
Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> Sun, 30 March 2008 15:42 UTC
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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:41:21 -0700
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From: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
Subject: Re: IETF Last Call for two IPR WG Dcouments
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At 11:15 AM +0200 3/30/08, Simon Josefsson wrote: >If the trust uses a software license for code that doesn't meet the >requirements in, say, the DFSG, would you consider that a failure? If >that happens, Debian cannot include such code. At 11:25 AM +0200 3/30/08, Simon Josefsson wrote: >There are examples of projects with good intentions that want to give >everyone the right to use code they publish in any way to end up with >copying conditions that prevent some subset of the community from using >the software. > >Look at the mailing list archive of debian-legal. Most of the software >licenses that are reviewed there have been written by organizations that >wants open source-friendly distribution of their code, but happens to >make one mistake or the other. These are interesting points, but maybe not interesting in the way you intended. If some large group (in this example, the Debian folks) want to have some restriction on what they can use in their software, that's fine. But that doesn't mean that the IETF needs to do anything beyond what it wants to do in order to cater to that group's current desires. Every such group could act just like the IETF does: look around at what the problems it is facing and change the way it acts based on an analysis of the problems. It is the responsibility of the IETF Trust to consider what its actions would be for the whole world. These distributions are important. So is CiscoIBMMicrosoftEtc. So is TeenyStartupNascentISPEtc. There will *always* be FOSS groups with different ideas of what their requirements are. You listed three in the Linux world. Those of us who swim in the BSD world have our own. Every well-intentioned organization has their gourd vs. shoe decisions (apologies for the Life of Brian reference, but is sure seems appropriate here). >If people involved in free software licensing have trouble getting this >right, I have little confidence that people not involved in the free >software licensing will get the right. Fully agree. And this is an indication that the FOSS folks have equal responsibility for the problem you describe. >Providing them with some >mechanism to test their proposed license against (i.e., the >OSD/FSD/DFSG) will help to avoid at least the most basic mistakes. Fully agree. Offer to help the IETF Trust with this; I suspect that CiscoIBMMicrosoftEtc will. That's different that forcing a requirement into the spec. >Ray asked if there were some reason to not use the NPOSL for this. I >read that to imply that he thought the license would be a candidate. If >my proposed text has been part of the documents, we could easily explain >how and why that license doesn't meet a needed criteria. So could an email to him and the rest of the Trust. Note the difference. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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