Re: Status of this memo

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Wed, 28 April 2021 09:32 UTC

Return-Path: <moore@network-heretics.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5025E3A2214 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 02:32:39 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VV_iJLCYuP_6 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 02:32:34 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E2493A221D for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 02:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B65379A for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:32:26 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:32:26 -0400
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=AhNnuyR8rIMKO41mgEZ0PpRKxHkRiaDqhcW7Ets24 WE=; b=Dl/FwtIHe7TCemGmUpd0YpVLLY7R2xkNGfT9zjyMpdhURZyIuCdfaaTM/ bfMiFUsiqpKgEjfx8tsWWfN1QJZLp9AGKNLFRNrGg+AI4vZ/SuAzNEM1GfAZlPfH MAX/W1+gLBhaZngyYxoih4ti6x5dHbeW3fgdOn88X/N4ixRKVctdz4M01JKomnE9 bJjziEAEOnJlj2Qrg4quiBkFdXAQcmk1v8x1onOEeJlOivWrqvLuhnv0wOyftinK SmpPm+8kBghDLcAE7btIjo47AMBC3DB4JfB48w2L41KpP4JsSzIhzJcwGp1wcxPR 3oIU27snW+YjIAYb3r+GYLEYHDLlQ==
X-ME-Sender: <xms:qCuJYHJqpyvSdw2lbH8RX5liIUbttUwnCGfjVeITmcUF-_ViyHXb0Q> <xme:qCuJYLLa-EQYetWX4U-UmtjPoBMqbxxBH7aUPpPtphgxeYR9Z_pqq2DUXS8oGox5V 6aFLpElvwAJFQ>
X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrvddvuddgudegfecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesth ejredttdefjeenucfhrhhomhepmfgvihhthhcuofhoohhrvgcuoehmohhorhgvsehnvght fihorhhkqdhhvghrvghtihgtshdrtghomheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepkedvgefgle euleekuefhffehgefhhfekuedvudduiefhhedufefftdfgtdekfffgnecukfhppedvfedr uddvgedruddtrddujedtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrg hilhhfrhhomhepmhhoohhrvgesnhgvthifohhrkhdqhhgvrhgvthhitghsrdgtohhm
X-ME-Proxy: <xmx:qCuJYPth6eGS7Tape_8Rs94QFeuffPoedBrjBvSEFYjoYBCWwAhmpg> <xmx:qCuJYAamrSBZdmr4UX8LG9ybB8JIFYaBw0ZjATLQCrViCPTRh5ml7A> <xmx:qCuJYObY5Gpe88CpapQz_vjwjMrG59dSzXjOgTHRDKDF_Z7F2_ceqA> <xmx:qSuJYCrrWPpwyarsA8g5n2JDOsdNmirFRDIsYmBh9MLIysBXDM7zcA>
Received: from [192.168.1.121] (23-124-10-170.lightspeed.knvltn.sbcglobal.net [23.124.10.170]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:32:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Status of this memo
To: ietf@ietf.org
References: <82023B64CE2138A097AF51B3@PSB> <6A7715E6-3180-423A-92AB-859C8E4A3848@yahoo.co.uk>
From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
Message-ID: <2ed3cd27-8896-9cd1-a0ff-99cee3162d49@network-heretics.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 05:32:24 -0400
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <6A7715E6-3180-423A-92AB-859C8E4A3848@yahoo.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Language: en-US
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/E93Glrzb0tFbJqRy_ff_LuDkPg8>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 09:32:39 -0000

On 4/28/21 1:32 AM, Lloyd W wrote:

> I think you've just described TERM, where the charter and
> its document editor are already being micromanaged.

Well, TERM isn't a WG (yet), and its creation is AFAIK still in doubt, 
and now is the appropriate time to debate the charter and the wisdom of 
creating the group at all.

Keith