Re: Status of this memo

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Tue, 27 April 2021 19:12 UTC

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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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On 4/27/21 3:06 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:

>> We might want to try to make this more consistent across wg's including perhaps redefining "adoption”.
> I hope not.
>
> WGs are different.

Different WGs are (and need to be) different, but it's confusing if 
"adoption" means very different things from one WG to another.

I have generally interpreted "adoption" as meaning "the WG wants to use 
this document as a basis for (some of) its work".   It's not (and 
shouldn't be) a consensus call on the document itself, that's what WGLC 
is for.   It's not exactly an assertion of WG "control" over the 
document, though everyone should understand that drafts intended to be 
WG drafts need to permit creation of derivative works (i.e. forking).  
Nor should it be taken as a commitment on the part of the WG to try to 
publish that document or earn a particular status for it.

Keith