IETF Logo Mail Archive

RE: Enough is Enough.

Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com> Tue, 20 October 2020 19:30 UTC

Return-Path: <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2333A1399 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:30:32 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.1
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=outlook.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G-BdBJe290FF for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:30:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from EUR01-VE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092066090.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.66.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 683243A1367 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=GtuSr70b8dN94h4Wak4rIQfzPoLOWmQgRqlMwMv29QRI2ZEuzx7Ps56kcx1v7GCYwGsbhlQwkcpJTkN/RfzcoOTAVpDA8gOQWRGwYfcZXpE11ErJgeDbQISmKI3k7LMHi+sf4Glvt7WZfsL/Wp9OZmssx3N6MyJi6G5sK7kuTNQsu6ao2LDWjt0Cfe0iiuMVti6BREDobJcwaoF/IWico51llscwEDWd5qKC2YsbtSRkUU/35D8U3m5yykLRe6DLtjgqxjSz5d48TWtA3fhm8n5KVxi7qcxm34jz5XkhIuVw67OaqRi4r8S/vYbCo5EfpK2KsUXX4Ngpoatglg3v4g==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=fH9kr+aQjjqMMu54NvM6YSr0nYVo2cA1hz+RVBlB5Kg=; b=MH8DTL/oxIiAyeq3hgCfNFezH5lYma51r6GvBe4x+gHeRB6wFiiIEg60bgbhHF6CQmYpHAPaQrSUCbfoZEWOImbaLPZQ4qB6cmGebeE1LgBe8pFopc2HH4hOJVBoLW9ZsayT2vMIOb/Dxmsb9YBm3btoE2i5T+pwmpQHkV8T+isn5xZa/lc5M0vjuPtmnzw0zw8ittgeN4yqR62v4eCNcnIB+B23xwSaZYvl2L0HEftGKeUxoXkLZ4r7+dyDIERzarxKfb9KMsRa8ufGscUwccic44syea4qauZAX8h7dfXzNbmsQxOQpd8Kp+TmU6rvyWF9KyFT2W4Bzg8eqONeVQ==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=fH9kr+aQjjqMMu54NvM6YSr0nYVo2cA1hz+RVBlB5Kg=; b=Vsr7pgL1CjZvkUtIW2p0LLFKlIxVyb2NtDVXPMb+hdv4hg5ccfJ0BCVFpY84U0uKWxNmgx/00/tfYmSGCXlBH5GSP9wFHnBj0IUUN7ZKBese9wfhAf3AdGRn0gplTxhfFj/tOsEmqX4L/0FkSB32vBY35Daf5qK7CEtppD8mQ4gZgs6n8i+IFZMHhIooyhmIrSn6Qxlz9BPn4lKx0m0XCLwexQ0Fn028Y+ypMjXMZ8toeY64D9EpAWY8Nr2lGMNI/cJPOW1m7BVX9Ce6roz9c4lhqchK1pGk15ixPfu/GXDpZ1TVlf7I2C2Dd3smBdgRhjfcv4bEj490LBzVEgMNWw==
Received: from DB5EUR01FT037.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:7e1a::43) by DB5EUR01HT062.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:7e1a::361) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3477.21; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:30:16 +0000
Received: from VI1P194MB0285.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2a01:111:e400:7e1a::4f) by DB5EUR01FT037.mail.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:7e1a::212) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3499.18 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:30:16 +0000
Received: from VI1P194MB0285.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::89f6:7540:e834:ffb8]) by VI1P194MB0285.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::89f6:7540:e834:ffb8%5]) with mapi id 15.20.3477.028; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:30:16 +0000
From: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>, "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
CC: "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Enough is Enough.
Thread-Topic: Enough is Enough.
Thread-Index: AdanAaskBfjAWkS4Smq/hoPnCKm+tgAAiFCAAAAI9yAAAVI8gAAAGirwAAC3DIAAAEalAAAAeW4AAABvTuAAAFBm4AABFPGAAAAWYlA=
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:30:16 +0000
Message-ID: <VI1P194MB0285CB6AD0610236FAF456B0AE1F0@VI1P194MB0285.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <VI1P194MB02851798998F8B7CAE17EBEBAE1F0@VI1P194MB0285.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <1244503240.69594.1603213781185@email.ionos.com> <VI1P194MB028587C3EBD5F3B842444C24AE1F0@VI1P194MB0285.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <CAF4+nEHhpaDUPswSPxNPtsx_daUdo95cADgk9LYDOnnRwnPkUw@mail.gmail.com> <VI1P194MB0285821C9E9877996F640B04AE1F0@VI1P194MB0285.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <951477273.71083.1603217515529@email.ionos.com> <VI1P194MB0285037AFE4A08626E5B0336AE1F0@VI1P194MB0285.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <660145062.71895.1603218804076@email.ionos.com> <VI1P194MB02858A7AA5A66986802CE483AE1F0@VI1P194MB0285.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <MN2PR11MB4366A0264CACD3D1B18E82E4B51F0@MN2PR11MB4366.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <6027d656-60e1-5a5e-ec24-4492904374d9@foobar.org>
In-Reply-To: <6027d656-60e1-5a5e-ec24-4492904374d9@foobar.org>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:CD1CE1948AEDBDC4124C77D705821A6AE9D0714C8C89F4E67B6CAA73CE3E010C; UpperCasedChecksum:3C262DBA36EB536B2810F2BBB2C53357E67AEB2ED0451B5ECC2A9282CE5B08A6; SizeAsReceived:7589; Count:44
x-tmn: [HlhZexfv3fYjI2wWm03awFAVqQfRHRKv]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-incomingheadercount: 44
x-eopattributedmessage: 0
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 7f20f482-9a28-476e-47d7-08d8752e92eb
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DB5EUR01HT062:
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: C6sRIoZjsf+H5boaiCKtHOrffu6M4ZkYVqYsj5ghJ9bLykOF4GhBu3SBG7a7Un6dZ1KsDOcaQ13JkX7cDJHENqfv/HBALCecmv3PjkUtzXEZ/17cGg7wamBBJbrysLUOjLXMPCMHYtNeoYxNNEVW+jRVXZNVdOiE9osd+Td7UH6S9npN9dE5LEwRtgAkGj8K13PhB8NOET1TTQaFWUpVrTq+XF8ZvyitlDmpyPG1+14ffy1zHIn8Z2QhroAkXMI2
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: rNdi8dSYnlHd+HdwXsPIQRIbGCioaSQh5l4jIHerLmklzIng8BB6JThJnRbNx64XXUEUoOIWz6fKgUdGm4x+UZ6v6Mb4jKmfdyBRWRkpBbooZFvXLotnDVPlad0j3cgTGoIUih7IrVwBgZhtZKE7Ag==
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DB5EUR01FT037.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 7f20f482-9a28-476e-47d7-08d8752e92eb
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 20 Oct 2020 19:30:16.6413 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB5EUR01HT062
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/M77SJWdBG25cG5k9qdTXuChX5tM>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:30:39 -0000

So what are the benefits of freezing the water if no one is able to drink.

I think this time the IESG should approve the removal and not to deny as the first time, it is a decision not rules.

Khaled Omar

-----Original Message-----
From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Nick Hilliard
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 9:26 PM
To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Enough is Enough.

Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote on 20/10/2020 20:13:
> Hi Khaled,
> 
> There is an IESG statement on internet draft removal: 
> https://ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/internet-draft-removal/

isn't this entire conversation a re-run of 2017?

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/oUwC8jVo8pI0HQ7lx734RXTAVec/

Nick

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email