Re: Enough is Enough.
Ofer Inbar <cos@aaaaa.org> Sat, 24 October 2020 16:08 UTC
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From: Ofer Inbar <cos@aaaaa.org>
To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
Cc: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "legal@ietf.org" <legal@ietf.org>, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@outlook.com>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Enough is Enough.
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On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 05:39:33PM +0200, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote: > Technically, the key reason for not removing the drafts to me is that > only because Khaled was posting the drafts to the IETF did he get cycles from > the IETF community that was expressed through many public and (from what i > read) also private emails. And it could be seen as a disrespect to those > that did spend cycles on reading those drafts and providing feedback to > remove the drafts. Especially given how the public exchanges about the > draft are archived and those archives would not be comprehensible if the > references documents where removed. You made it seem like a secondary point, but for me personally, the main reason not to remove drafts is to make it possible for people reading the list archives or looking into history later on, to see what was being discussed at the time and read it directly. For that reason, I would feel quite uncomfortable if I saw drafts being removed from the archives merely because the submitter wished to stop working with the IETF. Having the drafts present does not prevent the submitter from ceasing to work with the IETF. Knowing that that's all it takes to get a draft removed, would make me feel about any future draft "this might just disappear later", which changes the way people might relate to all future proposals. -- Cos
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