Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Thu, 24 January 2019 16:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github
From: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
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Matthew,

Please explain why this discussion shouldn’t be happening on the IETF list?  Seems relevant to me.

Bob


> On Jan 24, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Matthew A. Miller <linuxwolf+ietf@outer-planes.net> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> Please direct all further discussion on using GitHub to <
> ietf-and-github@ietf.org >.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> -
> Matthew A. Miller
> IETF Sergeant-at-arms
> 
> On 19/01/24 08:23, Fernando Gont wrote:
>> On 22/1/19 20:31, Hector Santos wrote:
>>> My opinion.
>>> 
>>> My only concern is the perception that the IETF is now "requiring" to
>>> learn a new suite of 3rd party tools for a single purpose - RFC Draft
>>> submissions publishing.   For people doing this all the time, and
>>> probably also using the same tools for other parts of their career, I
>>> can understand it would be productive, but not for the occasional author.
>>> 
>>> After several decades, I believe an application level IETF online RFC
>>> publishing tool should be available.  In the past, I used XML2RFC (a
>>> java app) to outline, produce and publish my drafts. Isn't this
>>> available any more?   I would think a HTML5 version would be doable
>>> today, and of course, some vcs would be integrated at the backend.
>>> 
>>> I personally don't want wish to be learning git details and all the
>>> other scripting tools and text formats for a single purpose.  I would if
>>> I have to at some top level rudimentary level just to get the job, but
>>> it is not desirable, and certainly not a career requirement for me.
>> 
>> Don't worry: https://xkcd.com/1597/  (yes, there's a lot of truth to it
>> :-) )
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>