Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Tue, 22 January 2019 22:04 UTC
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(Wow, what a lot of emails about how everyone should have choice, as long as they choose github.) The reason I posted about sr.ht is that I strongly feel that authors should be using some kind of revision control for your xml or markdown files, and that they should have some automation for formatting them (whether Richard's wonderful Makefile, five line ones, or a shell script). I don't care what people use, but it's hard to host CVS, ClearCase, Mercurial, SVN, etc. unless you have some routable public address space of your own. Finding places that support There are some people who like git, but don't like the social networking aspects and issue tracking portion, and want all of this to happen on our mailing lists. There are some for whom the lack of native IPv6 is really embarassing. (I use NAT64 and DNS64 to access github...) I saw sr.ht as an answer for those people. (It doesn't have an IPv6 yet either) There are also a bunch of people who use bitbucket, as basically storage. I have personally been using git and a simple Makefile to manage my drafts for more than a decade. I have taught quite a few people this process. I'm really glad that this part has taken off. While I use github an aweful lot as a way to keep track of things with my co-authors, I don't particularly like or want to accept new issues that way. I *way* prefer to have a cogent email on the WG ML, *followed* by a pull request, ideally with the core of the suggestion in the ML. While I'm not as old as some, I'm clearly not young anymore. I see the web interface as often a distraction. Semi-technical (i.e. writers with a non-developers background, and young developers who never left an IDE) think that github *is* git, and don't take the half a day to actually learn to use git. I've been through this *repeatedly* in other fora. Having said that, let me repeat that I *do* use github for many things. But not all things. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
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- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Richard Barnes
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Leif Johansson
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Lars Eggert
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Randy Bush
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Richard Barnes
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Eric Rescorla
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Lloyd Wood
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Carsten Bormann
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Joel M. Halpern
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Eric Rescorla
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- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Richard Barnes
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github tom petch
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- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Nico Williams
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github John Levine
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- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Richard Barnes
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Eric Rescorla
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Michael Richardson
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Nico Williams
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Hector Santos
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Christian Huitema
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Richard Barnes
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github tom petch
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Michael Richardson
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Yoav Nir
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Lars Eggert
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Fernando Gont
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Matthew A. Miller
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Nico Williams
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Bob Hinden
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Matthew A. Miller
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Lars Eggert
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Nico Williams
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github lloyd.wood
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Randy Bush
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- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github lloyd.wood
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- Re: github is not git, was sr.ht --- "sir hat" --… Randy Bush
- Re: github is not git, was sr.ht --- "sir hat" --… lloyd.wood
- Re: github is not git, was sr.ht --- "sir hat" --… John R Levine
- Re: github is not git, was sr.ht --- "sir hat" --… Nick Hilliard
- Re: github is not git, was sr.ht --- "sir hat" --… lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Eric Rescorla
- Re: github is not git, was sr.ht --- "sir hat" --… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Hector Santos
- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Eric Rescorla
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- Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github Eric Rescorla