Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github

Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Fri, 25 January 2019 23:12 UTC

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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:12:06 -0600
From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
To: lloyd.wood=40yahoo.co.uk@dmarc.ietf.org
CC: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, "Matthew A. Miller" <linuxwolf+ietf@outer-planes.net>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: sr.ht --- "sir hat" --- alternatives to Github
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On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 10:49:25PM +0000, lloyd.wood=40yahoo.co.uk@dmarc.ietf.org wrote:
> +1 to Bob's unanswered question. and why is this new list ietf-and-github
> and not ietf-and-git? github is but one provider, backed by a proven
> monopolist... and that was the choice? that's a question suitable for
> this general list. So, on this thread topic, what viable alternatives are
> there?

Suitable perhaps, but hardly timely (nor the list "new") -- per
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-and-github/S5nDGwYKMOCe7l3ghcCeZItHExk
the list is three years old tomorrow.

-Ben