Re: What real users think [was: Re: pgp signing in van]
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Mon, 09 September 2013 20:36 UTC
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On 9/9/2013 1:27 PM, Steve Crocker wrote: > Actually, I interpret the chemistry professor's comment in a > different light. It would be possible to design a system where: > > o the standard end user software doesn't facilitate editing the other > person's text, and > > o each piece of text is signed. > > The result would be a system where a recipient would know whether the > person who is alleged to have written a piece of the message actually > did so, and the normal mode of use would be to leave things > untouched. Or, if you edit someone else's text, it immediately > becomes your text. The professor's comment was on function, not method. My comment was on the limitations to methods available at the time. In a controlled environment, with good resources, quite a bit is possible. Indeed, server-based "department-level" email products in the 1980s did enforce such restrictions. The single-administration servers had complete control over the message. Distribution with independent administrative authorities makes this a very different game. Enforcement by fiat is impossible. That's where signing comes in, of course. Modify the content and the signature fails. Besides the computational overhead -- which was relatively onerous back when the infrastructure was being established -- this requires that the receiver know and demand that the signature be present; this requirement has its own adoption barriers. Starting with a blank sheet and today's technologies, the requirement is possibly feasible to satisfy -- if we ignore the continuing human factors barriers to large scale email authentication. However given the resources at the time the operational service was developed, I think it wasn't. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
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