Re: pgp signing in van

Hector Santos <hsantos@isdg.net> Sun, 08 September 2013 23:10 UTC

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On 9/8/2013 6:21 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> On 9/8/13 3:50 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
>>
>> What's the upside to signing my email?   I know why I want
>> everybody I know to sign my email, but what's the upside for me if
>> I do it? Until there's a clear win, it's not going to happen.
>
> There are two that I see:
>
> 1. Since it's quite easy to send faked messages (and I have seen that
> done on public lists in an effort to embarrass or impugn the sender),
> signing one's messages makes it clear that the message really came
> from you.
>
> 2. Signing one's messages is a way of advertising that one is capable
> of engaging in encrypted communication. (This might not be a welcome
> analogy, but it's kind of like open carry for encryption.)
>
> Peter

But until the MUAs across the board support it out of the box, I 
believe most people don't know about it or know what it means.  See 
attached small snippet showing the "Message Security Info" of your 
message according to the Thunderbird MUA.

I don't think we can even establish a standard practice with PGP and 
others, including with the recent standardized DKIM.  Where is the BCP 
for the MUAs, MDAs, MSAs?

There will always be victims (users with MUAs) who don't support this 
or that, but I think the IETF can finally begin considering ideal 
product development concepts for vendors to follow.

-- 
HLS