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Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sat, 17 December 2016 13:26 UTC

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yoav,

> It’s hard to move the pain in a predictable way. If I send you an
> email message and it’s not delivered or gets mangled or goes in your
> spam folder, who feels the pain? That depends on which of us needs the
> email more.

my mail fu is not deep.  but seems to me that we're talking about
mailing lists here, not tina telling me where to pick up €1k.  so
move the pain to the users at yahoo (they're getting used to high
levels of pain) and let them move off yahoo or not play.

randy

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