Re: Realistic responses to DMARC
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Sun, 18 December 2016 22:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: Realistic responses to DMARC
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking
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Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 14:33:58 -0800
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On 12/18/2016 2:24 PM, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > So when David Crocker tells us that > the mail providers aren't going to back down, regardless of whether or > not it is true, *of course* the the mail providers will try to say > that, because they are trying to intimate people into knuckling under > and accepting DMARC. Ted, you are ascribing more concern about this by the providers than I'm seeing. Rather than seeking to invoke some sort of mystical assessment of corporate intent, I suggest you do a pragmatic evaluation of actual leverage and formulate a practical plan based on it. Then see who lines up in support and follows through with useful action. > It's all basic power negotiating Or not. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC rel… Michael Richardson
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Yoav Nir
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Paul Wouters
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Dave Crocker
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Michael Richardson
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Michael Richardson
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Paul Wouters
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… ned+ietf
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Randy Bush
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… S Moonesamy
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Rich Kulawiec
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Yoav Nir
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Randy Bush
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Ted Lemon
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Ted Lemon
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… S Moonesamy
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… John C Klensin
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Michael Richardson
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… John C Klensin
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC John C Klensin
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC John Levine
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… John Levine
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Dave Crocker
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Theodore Ts'o
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC John R Levine
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Theodore Ts'o
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC John R Levine
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… S Moonesamy
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Rich Kulawiec
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Dave Crocker
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… John C Klensin
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… John C Klensin
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Andrew G. Malis
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… John Levine
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Theodore Ts'o
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Dave Crocker
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC John R Levine
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Theodore Ts'o
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… John R Levine
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Michael Richardson
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Michael Richardson
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Michael Richardson
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Yoav Nir
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Michael Richardson
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman --- [LEDE-DEV] DMARC… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: DMARC methods in mailman Hector Santos
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Dave Cridland
- Re: Realistic responses to DMARC Ted Lemon