Re: IETF 62

Michael D Frisch <mfrisch@fas.harvard.edu> Wed, 22 September 2004 12:27 UTC

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:14:00 -0400
From: Michael D Frisch <mfrisch@fas.harvard.edu>
To: Scott Michel <scooter.phd@gmail.com>
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Cc: Lars Eggert <lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de>, "Dick St.Peters" <stpeters@netheaven.com>, Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>, ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: IETF 62
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The issue of the United States fingerprinting visitors is a long awaited
process.  When a person or family enters the United States they are “guests,”
and should and will be treated as a guest of “our” country.

Prior to 9/11 we were targets of some of our “visitors,” although we (US
Government) decided to quietly observe, instead of taken an active approach. 
It’s sad that it took a tragic event to change our thought process.  Today
everyone has to suffer; visitors undergo tighter security, and citizens are
awaiting the next tragic event.

As you can see from this article, an official “watch list” can work, although in
this case they were a little late.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040922/D858EV280.html


Regards,
MDF



Quoting Scott Michel <scooter.phd@gmail.com>:

> On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:34:17 +0200, Lars Eggert
> <lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de> wrote:
> > based on your signature, you're presumably a citizen of the country that
> > has your fingerprints on file. This allows you - in theory - to
> > participate in the changing of these rules by voting, should you not
> > like them. Foreigners and visa holders that enter the US do not have
> > this option.
>
> As would I be from "the country that has your fingerprints on file".
> Mine are on file as well, for completely different reasons (but not as
> the result of a criminal record.)
>
> Leaving one's fingerprints isn't a matter of political process, it's a
> new condition of being a guest and visiting the United States. It's
> simply the result of other people not having been good guests in the
> recent past. It's also the result of the political process in D.C.
> needing to make sure that all guests are treated equally (yeah, some
> minor, niggly Constitutional issue prevents the government from
> profiling guests entering the country or some silly issue like that.
> :-)
>
>
> -scooter
>
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