Re: IETF 62
Michael D Frisch <mfrisch@fas.harvard.edu> Wed, 22 September 2004 12:27 UTC
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From: Michael D Frisch <mfrisch@fas.harvard.edu>
To: Scott Michel <scooter.phd@gmail.com>
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Cc: Lars Eggert <lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de>, "Dick St.Peters" <stpeters@netheaven.com>, Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>, ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: IETF 62
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The issue of the United States fingerprinting visitors is a long awaited process. When a person or family enters the United States they are guests, and should and will be treated as a guest of our country. Prior to 9/11 we were targets of some of our visitors, although we (US Government) decided to quietly observe, instead of taken an active approach. Its sad that it took a tragic event to change our thought process. Today everyone has to suffer; visitors undergo tighter security, and citizens are awaiting the next tragic event. As you can see from this article, an official watch list can work, although in this case they were a little late. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040922/D858EV280.html Regards, MDF Quoting Scott Michel <scooter.phd@gmail.com>: > On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:34:17 +0200, Lars Eggert > <lars.eggert@netlab.nec.de> wrote: > > based on your signature, you're presumably a citizen of the country that > > has your fingerprints on file. This allows you - in theory - to > > participate in the changing of these rules by voting, should you not > > like them. Foreigners and visa holders that enter the US do not have > > this option. > > As would I be from "the country that has your fingerprints on file". > Mine are on file as well, for completely different reasons (but not as > the result of a criminal record.) > > Leaving one's fingerprints isn't a matter of political process, it's a > new condition of being a guest and visiting the United States. It's > simply the result of other people not having been good guests in the > recent past. It's also the result of the political process in D.C. > needing to make sure that all guests are treated equally (yeah, some > minor, niggly Constitutional issue prevents the government from > profiling guests entering the country or some silly issue like that. > :-) > > > -scooter > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > -- Michael D. Frisch Graduate Studies Computer Science & ALM IT Management 203-581-2860 (Cell) mfrisch@fas.harvard.edu _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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