Re: [Gendispatch] draft-rsalz-termlimits

Michael StJohns <> Wed, 20 October 2021 22:23 UTC

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On 10/20/2021 5:25 PM, Salz, Rich wrote:
> Gendispatch to BCC; using the general IETF@ list for this discussion.
>>     The IETF Chair is different, I agree it’s good to have a person who has served recently as an AD.
> Let's see.  Looking at
That page appears to only list the folks that were members when the 
meeting started, not when it ended.
> Lars was Transport AD until 2011; 10 years.

> Aliisa was General AD until 2020, no gap.
Applications and Real time until 2017.  No gap.
> Jari was Internet AD until 2012; one year.
> Russ was Security AD until 2007; no gap
> Brian Carpenter wasn't an AD unless it was before 1989 so at least a 15 year gap.
> Harald was Ops AD until 1998 so three year gap.
Harald served until March of 99, so a two year gap.
> Fred Baker wasn't an AD before 1989 so at least a six year gap.
> Paul Mockapetris wasn't an AD before 1989 so at least a six year gap.
> Phillip Gross wasn't an AD unless before 1989

While Phill proposed creation of the IESG and its areas A/O the 14th 
IETF, they weren't really active as such until the Hawaii (15th) IETF 
and there was less directive authority from the ADs to their WGs than is 
currently the case.  I would not compare those periods  .  Phill was 
listed as the interim/permanent director of the Ops dir until the coup 
resulting in the first Nomcom selected ADs being appointed in March '93 
- that was doable back then.   So for Fred, it's more like a 2 year gap. 
For Paul, a zero year gap.

> Michael Corrigan was an AD unless before 1989
> Did I make any mistakes (quite likely!) in the above?
> Not that my proposal doesn't say "can't be an AD"  It just says that if you serve the commonplace two terms, then there must be gap year.