Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-06.txt> (IETF Working Groups' Secretaries) to Best Current Practice
Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> Wed, 03 December 2014 16:18 UTC
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On 12/3/14 7:05 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > But I would note for the second of these points that the WG secretary role > exists and there is also the concept of a "delegate". These ways of handling > IETF work are not introduced or made concrete by this document. We can't, > therefore, hold this document to account for the existence of things we don't > like. We can only ensure that the document accurately describes what exists. Absolutely, but what concerns me (I'm not going to try to speak for John) is that this document appears to normalize the secretarial role, rather than simply saying that chairs are able to delegate various tasks. There appears to be a formal vesting of responsibility in working group secretaries. I like Ralph's proposal to update 2418 to allow for wg secretary access to working group tools. Otherwise my preference would be to continue to keep the focus on chair responsibilities, including chair delegation of various tasks. Secretaries are fine but I really dislike seeing the role institutionalized. Melinda
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… S Moonesamy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Loa Andersson
- RE: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Robert Sparks
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Martin Vigoureux
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Melinda Shore
- RE: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Ralph Droms
- RE: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Melinda Shore
- RE: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Adrian Farrel
- RE: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Adrian Farrel
- RE: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Melinda Shore
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Eric Burger
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… joel jaeggli
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Bob Hinden
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Ralph Droms
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Benoit Claise
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Bob Hinden
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Martin Vigoureux
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Melinda Shore
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Martin Vigoureux
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Martin Vigoureux
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Melinda Shore
- Re: Last Call: <draft-secretaries-good-practices-… Brian E Carpenter