Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative Procedures
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Mon, 07 April 2008 21:28 UTC
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:28:37 -0400
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
To: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org>
Subject: Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative Procedures
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--On Monday, 07 April, 2008 16:55 -0400 Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> wrote: > Fred Baker wrote: > >> >> On Apr 3, 2008, at 1:54 PM, John C Klensin wrote: >> >>> Probably the Trust and/or IAOC procedures or charter should >>> be modified so that, in the event of the demise of the >>> IAOC, the Trust falls firmly under direct IETF control >>> (unless the IETF itself ceases to exist). >> >> >> The concept makes sense to me, but I'd be interested to >> understand how that would be implemented. All decisions of >> the trust happen in discussions on the IETF mailing list, >> and the consensus of the community as determined by J i m F >> l e m i n g rules? > > As Jorge pointed out: > > This is covered by Section 6.1(c) of the Trust Agreement. If > there are ever fewer than 3 Trustees, the IESG will appoint new > Trustees. The existing Trustees do NOT become "permanent > appointments" > if the IAOC is dissolved. Rather, the IESG would appoint 3 > Trustees > until the IAOC or some successor is constituted. But this is inconsistent with the text that you circulated, which said, in part,... "If at any time the IAOC ceases to exist, the Trustees then in office shall remain in office and determine the future of the Trust in accordance with the Trust Agreement." A common-sense reading of that statement says that, if the IAOC disappears, all Trustees stay in office and make decisions about the trust. Jorge's comment and the Trust agreement seem to say that, if the IAOC ceases to exist, the Trustees (with the possible exception of the ISOC two) cease to be Trustees and it is then the responsibility of the IESG to appoint new Trustees who would "determine the future of the Trust". All I'm asking about this is what others have asked -- that the text you propose (and any related administrative procedures that the Trustees have agreed on) be brought into line with the clear intent of the Trust and IAOC agreements. john _______________________________________________ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrative P… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Leslie Daigle
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Leslie Daigle
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ed Juskevicius
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Fred Baker
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ed Juskevicius
- RE: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ted Hardie
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Stephan Wenger
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… Ray Pelletier
- Re: Proposed Revisions to IETF Trust Administrati… TS Glassey