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Re: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to saving the Internet from the NSA

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 06 September 2013 03:19 UTC

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Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 15:19:30 +1200
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to saving the Internet from the NSA
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On 06/09/2013 15:08, Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Sep 5, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm sorry, I don't detect the emergency.
> 
> I think we all knew NSA was collecting the data.   Why didn't we do something about it sooner?   Wasn't it an emergency when the PATRIOT act was passed?   We certainly thought it was an emergency back in the days of Skipjack, but then they convinced us we'd won.   Turns out they just went around us.

Tell me what the IETF could be doing that it isn't already doing.

I'm not talking about what implementors and operators and users should
be doing; still less about what legislators should or shouldn't be
doing. I care about all those things, but the question here is what
standards or informational outputs from the IETF are needed, in addition
to what's already done or in the works.

I don't intend that to be a rhetorical question.

     Brian

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