Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to the European Commission statement

"Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" <apisan@unam.mx> Tue, 25 February 2014 19:55 UTC

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Andrea,

to cut to the chase, "bridle" is the test to which any redesign of technical standards development organizations should be subjected. That includes of course redesigns that are not internal but instead just place a group of benevolent overseers on top.

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Desde: sama.digitalpolicy@gmail.com [sama.digitalpolicy@gmail.com] en nombre de Andrea Glorioso [andrea@digitalpolicy.it]
Enviado el: martes, 25 de febrero de 2014 12:38
Hasta: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
CC: Russ White; Arturo Servin; internetgovtech@iab.org
Asunto: Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to the European Commission statement

Dear Alejandro, dear all,

I confess that I have often difficulties understanding your quite synthetic prose (my fault undoubtedly) but...

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan@unam.mx<mailto:apisan@unam.mx>> wrote:
Russ,

mostly +1.

It's the physiology that counts, not the anatomy.

If there were a clear and flagrant need for meta-technical considerations in technical standards-setting, which is posited here as a European point of view, wouldn't the EU already have bridled ETSI with it? (and no, I'm not promoting this idea - it is a reductio ad absurdum argument.) Is the OOXML story of Europe-as-fast-track a harbinger?

First of all, you will appreciate that we do NOT specifically mention the IETF in the Communication which includes the passage under consideration here. The IETF is one (very important) entity developing Internet technology (or technology specifications). But this is an IAB mailing list, so I guess it would be bizarre to talk about other organisations.

Secondly, ETSI has been working on issues such as energy efficiency, accessibility (for persons with disabilities) etc; and has done so in cooperation with EU Institutions and bodies, as well as other stakeholders, as is its mandate to do. I will freely admit I'm not an "ETSI expert", so I'll be happy to put you in touch with more knowledgeable people if you wish.

Thirdly, you use of the term "bridle". That's how you might see it, but all the Commission is proposing is to have a reflection / dialogue on the opportunity for better structured, multi-stakeholder engagement and discussions on the relationships between technology and public policy issues. I'm not sure that's enough to qualify for the term. ;)

Best,

Andrea

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