Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other constituencies
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 02 March 2014 09:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other constituencies
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Andrea,
On 02/03/2014 21:36, Andrea Glorioso wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> This is helpful, but I still can't understand a logical step.
>
> On Mar 2, 2014 12:52 AM, "Andrew Sullivan" <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
>
>> I am not one who especially believes that representativity is the
>> essential need, so getting the number or range of people -- "those who
>> participate" -- is to me much less important than getting the range of
>> views to take into consideration.
>
> I suspect we might have a different understanding of the concept of
> "representativity". Perhaps because of this, I can't well understand how
> you would get the "range of views to take into consideration" without
> enlarging the range of participants.
You will really have to explain what range is larger than "anyone".
Sorry to appear abrupt but this discussion is as old as the hills
in IETF circles, and nobody has ever answered the question.
Given that anyone may participate, it's legitimate to ask how to
encourage wider participation but there is no need to change
any of the formalities (because there aren't any).
This argument does not, of course, apply to other SDOs that have
some kind of membership rules. I suspect that the IETF is close
to unique in this respect.
Brian
Brian
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