Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other constituencies

["Russ White" <[e-mail]>]

>  I think we're agreeing on the goal ("remove the political implications as
> much as possible"), but the question is what to do where it is
unavoidable.
>  My suggestion would be to leverage widely held statements of such social
> or political norms rather than having to debate them in the IETF. (and
this  is
> not much different than leveraging international consensus of two letter
> codes for reference to countries and subdivisions, another political
matter)

The problem is, in the end, that using consensus statements doesn't always
actually guarantee correct (or moral?) action (or even acceptance).

>  The process doesn't have to be changed, but the IETF needs to have a
model
> for how governments engage with it when desired and spend some time
> actually  explaining that to governments (or run the risk that they'll
decide on
> other  approaches to meet their needs)

>  I describe an end point; governments should be able to engage in the
> existing  processes just as any other party; it would, however, be helpful
> when a government  expresses a particular social/economic requirement if
> the IETF could consistently  explain that it prefers not to twist the
protocol
> development for one countries view,  but if some widely-held statement of
> such a norm or value that can be referenced,  that might be worth
> considering since IETF standards intended to be scope Internet,  i.e.
> applicable globally.

So you would suggest... Perhaps a new IAB liaison effort, or a new IAB type
group, or trying to get the ISOC to play a more active role here, or... ?? 

:-)

Russ