Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to the European Commission statement
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:00:21 +0000
To: Andrea Glorioso <andrea@digitalpolicy.it>
Cc: "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" <apisan@unam.mx>, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, Gordon Lennox <gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com>, Arturo Servin <arturo.servin@gmail.com>, "internetgovtech@iab.org" <internetgovtech@iab.org>
Subject: Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to the European Commission statement
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There are plenty of "standards" bodies. Mostly public policy should encourage and protect open standards and their adoption in the market not define them. Intervention may be justified if standards are being gamed by vested market dominant interests because that is likely to negatively impact on competitive open networks and markets over them. But in a global space with many local markets the challenge is I expect better focussed on engaging local interests globally in standards activities that reflect real market needs rather than defining some local special sauce. Liaisons can and have been established in european context. I remember helping set one up managed by european ISOC chapters with IAB approval after IETF London in 2000 with EU ICT Standards board for example. I would observe that defining local Standards has ... limited utility as it has scope. Christian de Larrinaga > On 13 Feb 2014, at 13:02, Andrea Glorioso <andrea@digitalpolicy.it> wrote: > > (I'm not speaking on behalf of the European Commission right now) > >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Arturo Servin <arturo.servin@gmail.com> wrote: >> "An effective >> multistakeholder approach to specification setting on the internet >> will be based on efficient >> mutual interactions between technical and public policy considerations >> so that technical >> specifications more systematically take into account public policy concerns." >> >> It a good goal, and in some way I have seen some IETF efforts in that >> direction (this list for example). We just need to be careful in not >> add to much policy to technical discussions or to create a new >> standard body with that aim. > > Honestly innocent question. Why wouldn't you want to create a new standard body with this aim? Inefficiency? Duplication? > > Is there a structured mechanism through which the IETF performs this kind of "efficient mutual interactions", besides participating in mailing lists and organising workshops from time to time? > > I have been following - and enjoying - the debate on IETF-discuss on the perpass proposal. I was often struck by the differences of view, among IETF participants, on whether the IETF should even talk about the issue. > > (Note: I'm not taking a position on the whole "pervasive passive surveillance" issue for the time being. It doesn't mean I don't have one, but simply that I don't think it's relevant for this particular discussion). > > Thanks, > > Andrea > _______________________________________________ > Internetgovtech mailing list > Internetgovtech@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/internetgovtech
- [Internetgovtech] US Government response to the E… Russ Housley
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Gordon Lennox
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Russ Housley
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Arturo Servin
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Gordon Lennox
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… cdel.firsthand.net
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… cdel.firsthand.net
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… JFC Morfin
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Eric Brunner-Williams
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Jefsey
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- [Internetgovtech] A "healthy" or a "secure" inter… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] A "healthy" or a "secure" i… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] A "healthy" or a "secure" i… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Arturo Servin
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Andrea Glorioso
- [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other constitu… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Brian Trammell
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Avri Doria
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Brian Trammell
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… S Moonesamy
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… John Curran
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Jefsey
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Russ White
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Jefsey
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… John Levine
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Jefsey
- Re: [Internetgovtech] Involvement from other cons… Andrea Glorioso
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Russ Housley
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Jefsey
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Jefsey
- Re: [Internetgovtech] US Government response to t… Gordon Lennox