Re: [ipwave] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-15.txt
"Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> Mon, 06 July 2020 16:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-15.txt
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Hi Fred, I will update the text about the OMNI link model to accommodate general vehicles including UAMs in Section 4.1. For the use cases, I will include UAMs (e.g., drones) as example vehicles in V2V and V2I scenarios: - V2V: UAM collision avoidance in air This is an extension of Context-Aware Navigator for terrestrial vehicles: http://iotlab.skku.edu/publications/international-conference/ICCE-ASIA-CAN.pdf - V2I: UAM navigation with efficient battery charging scheduling UAM can communicate with TCC for its flying trajectory (i.e., navigation path) via RSU: http://iotlab.skku.edu/publications/international-journal/CBDN-2019.pdf Thanks. Best Regards, Paul 2020년 7월 7일 (화) 오전 12:13, Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>님이 작성: > Paul, my intended meaning is that the text from the UAM document is > intended > > to apply generically to all manners of vehicular communications, including > cars, > > trucks, taxis, pedestrians and any other ipwave use cases that are > considered > > by your document. So, the text should be phrased as generically as > possible, and > > not specific to just UAM. > > > > This brings me to a point that we might want to consider. I believe that > the > > ipwave approach should apply not just for traditional terrestrial vehicles > but > > also for the coming influx of low-altitude urban air mobility scenarios > such as > > flying cars and taxis. The Jetsons vision is close at hand, and in the > coming > > decades we are certainly going to see an increasing mix of terrestrial and > > low-altitude air vehicles all sharing the same frequency spectrum and data > > communications architecture. That is why I wrote the UAM document, but > > should we consider bringing the UAM use case into ipwave? > > > > Thanks - Fred > > > > *From:* its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Jaehoon Paul > Jeong > *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2020 7:02 AM > *To:* Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> > *Cc:* Peter E. Yee <peter@akayla.com>; Zeungil Kim <ben.kim@hyundai.com>; > Yong-Joon Joe <eugene@lsware.com>; skku-iotlab-members < > skku-iotlab-members@googlegroups.com>; its@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [ipwave] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: > draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-15.txt > > > > This message was sent from outside of Boeing. Please do not click links or > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the content > is safe. > > > > > Hi Fred, > > I have reflected your comments about the references and OMNI link model on > the next revision as follows. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Section 4.1. Vehicular Network Architecture > > > > Wireless communications needs to be considered for end systems for Urban > Air Mobility (UAM) > > such as flying cars and taxis [UAM-ITS].. These UAM end systems may have > multiple wireless > > transmission media interfaces (e.g., cellular, communications satellite > (SATCOM), short-range > > omni-directional interfaces), which are offered by different data link > service providers. > > To support not only the mobility management of the UAM end systems, but > also the multihop > > and multilink communications of the UAM interfaces, the UAM end systems > can employ an > > Overlay Multilink Network (OMNI) interface [OMNI-Interface] as a virtual > Non-Broadcast > > Multiple Access (NBMA) connection to a serving ground domain > infrastructure. This > > infrastructure can be configured over the underlying data links. The OMNI > interface and its > > link model provide a means of multilink, multihop and mobility > coordination to the legacy > > IPv6 ND messaging [RFC4861] according to the NBMA principle. Thus, the > OMNI link model > > can support efficient UAM internetworking services without additional > mobility messaging, > > and without any modification to the IPv6 ND messaging services or link > model. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I attach a temporary pdf file for the revision. > > > > Is this text fine to you? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > Paul > > > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:40 AM Templin (US), Fred L < > Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote: > > Paul, thank you for your efforts. Please note that the references you have > > included for AERO and LISP are out of date. The correct references are: > > > > LISP: draft-ietf-lisp-rfc6830bis > > AERO: draft-templin-intarea-6706bis > > > > About OMNI, the text you have offered does not quite capture the concepts > > I believe should appear in your document. Please see Section 4 of > > “Urban Air Mobility Implications for Intelligent Transportation Systems”: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-ipwave-uam-its/ > > > > This explains the OMNI link model as applied to Urban Air Mobility (e.g., > > flying cars and taxis), but the concepts are one and the same with what > > should be discussed for terrestrial vehicle and pedestrian communications. > > Please review the text (see below) and adopt in your document. > > > > Thanks - Fred > > > > --- > > 4. The Overlay Multilink Network (OMNI) Interface > > > > UAM end systems will often have multiple diverse wireless > > transmission media interfaces (including cellular, SATCOM, short- > > range omni-directional, etc.) offered by different data link service > > providers. In order to provide mobility, multihop and multilink > > services, UAM end systems can employ an Overlay Multilink Network > > (OMNI) interface [I-D.templin-6man-omni-interface] as a virtual Non- > > Broadcast Multiple Access (NBMA) connection to the serving ground > > domain infrastructure configured over the underlying data links. > > > > The OMNI interface and link model provide a nexus for multilink, > > multihop and mobility coordination using standard IPv6 Neighbor > > Discovery (ND) messaging [RFC4861] according to the NBMA principle. > > The OMNI model therefore supports efficient UAM internetworking > > services with no need for adjunct mobility messaging, nor > > modifications to the IPv6 ND messaging services or link model. > > > > *From:* its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Mr. Jaehoon Paul > Jeong > *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2020 2:50 AM > *To:* its@ietf.org > *Cc:* Peter E. Yee <peter@akayla.com>; skku-iotlab-members < > skku-iotlab-members@googlegroups.com>; Yong-Joon Joe <eugene@lsware.com>; > Zeungil Kim <ben.kim@hyundai.com>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < > jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: > draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-15.txt > > > > This message was sent from outside of Boeing. Please do not click links or > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the content > is safe. > > > > > Hi IPWAVE WG, > > I have submitted the revision of IPWAVE PS Draft as follows: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-15 > > > > The following 8 people reviewed this draft: > > Nancy Cam-Winget (Cisco), > > Fred L. Templin (The Boeing Company), > > Jung-Soo Park (ETRI), > > Zeungil (Ben) Kim (Hyundai Motors), > > Kyoungjae Sun (Soongsil University), > > Zhiwei Yan (CNNIC), > > Yong-Joon Joe (LSware), and > > Peter E. Yee (Akayla). > > > > I sincerely appreciate those reviewers' efforts to improve our IPWAVE PS > WG draft. > > > > I attach the revision letter to show how I have addressed their comments. > > > > The reviewers above (i.e., Nancy, Fred, Jung-Soo, Zeungil, Kyoungjae, > Zhiwei, Yong-Joon, and Peter), > > Could you doublecheck whether or not my revision has addressed your > comments by July 5th, 2020 in EST? > > > > If you have further comments, please let me know. > > > > If this review during this period does not raise other further comments, I > would like to ask for a WGLC on this draft. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > Paul > > -- > > =========================== > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. > Associate Professor > Department of Computer Science and Engineering > Sungkyunkwan University > Office: +82-31-299-4957 > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu > Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php > <http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php> > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 6:22 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular > Environments WG of the IETF. > > Title : IPv6 Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments > (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases > Author : Jaehoon Paul Jeong (editor) > Filename : draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-15.txt > Pages : 39 > Date : 2020-06-29 > > Abstract: > This document discusses the problem statement and use cases of > IPv6-based vehicular networking for Intelligent Transportation > Systems (ITS). The main scenarios of vehicular communications are > vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V), vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and > vehicle-to-everything (V2X) communications. First, this document > explains use cases using V2V, V2I, and V2X networking. Next, for > IPv6-based vehicular networks, it makes a gap analysis of current > IPv6 protocols (e.g., IPv6 Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, > and Security & Privacy), and then lists up requirements for the > extensions of those IPv6 protocols for IPv6-based vehicular > networking. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-15 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-15 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-15 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp..ietf.org/internet-drafts/ <ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/> > > > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its > > > > > > > -- > > =========================== > Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D. > Associate Professor > Department of Computer Science and Engineering > Sungkyunkwan University > Office: +82-31-299-4957 > Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu > Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php > <http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php> >
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- Re: [ipwave] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-iet… Templin (US), Fred L
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