Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113

Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> Wed, 13 April 2022 08:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113
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Hi Vittorio,

Just on this point:

On 13.04.22 10:27, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
>>>
>>> I listened to the recording of the shmoo meeting regarding Daniel's 
>>> analysis, and I took from it several points. The points I took away 
>>> were these:
>>>
>>>   * By some models on average, individuals that attend three
>>>     meetings per year create as much emissions as an average German
>>>     in one year.
>>>
> This is a one-size-fits-all approach which is unfair and rather 
> dangerous. Many of us, including myself, have made choices to reduce 
> their environmental footprint long ago.

Well good for you, and for our children.  However, that bullet is a 
predicate with the premise being a consumption model. While you can 
agree or disagree with the model (show your work if you do), if the 
premise is true then the predicate holds.  To put this another way, just 
because a polluter decides to pollute just a little less, doesn't mean 
that person's pollution has lowered to an acceptable level.

I will elaborate that bullet in one way, however: the average in that 
model likely means that each German in that case is charged with 
emissions from German industry.  An individual German may not be able to 
reduce their emissions.  I'm sure Daniel's point was to by no means 
castigate Germans or any other nationality but simply to shed light on 
*our* impact to the environment in relaion to what *we *can do to make 
things better.

Eliot