Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113
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To: Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>, Manycouches@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113
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Apologies if this came up at the meeting (I've yet to look at the recording) but in addition to considering offsets I think it'd be good if we started to consider ease of access to meeting locations via train. We could start that by just describing potential train journeys to the meeting city and see if it turns into something people start to like. (So no need to mandate anything or modify meeting criteria RFCs to get started.) It might not be so useful for some cities, but could be for others, e.g. train to Vienna may have been practical for a non-trivial number of in-person attendees perhaps. (It'd not be of much use for me, living on a small island off the edge of Europe as I do, which is a pity as train travel is a lot more pleasant than flying, but such is life;-) Cheers, S.
- [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Eliot Lear
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Jay Daley
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - "ca… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - "ca… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Eliot Lear
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - vir… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - "ca… John Scudder
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Daniel Migault
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Fred Baker
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Simon Leinen
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - vir… Fred Baker
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Fred Baker
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 John Levine
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - vir… Fred Baker
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - vir… John C Klensin
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - vir… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Eliot Lear
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - "ca… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - car… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - vir… Charles Eckel (eckelcu)
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Lars Eggert
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Simon Leinen
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Christian Huitema
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Michael Richardson
- Re: [Manycouches] trains and planes, Daniel prese… John Levine
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 - car… Daniel Migault
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Daniel Migault
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Fred Baker
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Christian Huitema
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Fred Baker
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Manycouches] Daniel presentation @ 113 Daniel Migault