Re: [mpls] Last Call: <draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-04.txt> (Encapsulating MPLS in UDP) to Proposed Standard

Curtis Villamizar <curtis@ipv6.occnc.com> Wed, 22 January 2014 20:47 UTC

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:47:14 -0500
Cc: Joel Jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>, "mpls@ietf.org" <mpls@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [mpls] Last Call: <draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp-04.txt> (Encapsulating MPLS in UDP) to Proposed Standard
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I personally don't think that Lars' suggestion of putting a MUST in
the "only in service providers" wording is a problem.

Others OK with this?

Curtis


In message <DBB76C54-0560-4F4E-ADD4-3C9BB8452820@netapp.com>
"Eggert, Lars" writes:

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Hi,

On 2014-1-22, at 11:12, Xuxiaohu <xuxiaohu@huawei.com> wrote:
> I wonder whether the following text is OK to you:
>=20
> Since the MPLS-in-UDP encapsulation causes MPLS packets to be =
forwarded through "UDP tunnels", the congestion control guidelines for =
UDP tunnels as defined in Section 3.1.3 of [RFC5405] SHOULD be followed. =
Specifically, MPLS can carry a number of different protocols as =
payloads. When an UDP tunnel is used for MPLS payload traffic that is =
known at configuration time to be IP-based and congestion-controlled, =
the UDP tunnel SHOULD NOT employ its own congestion control mechanism, =
because congestion losses of tunneled traffic will trigger an congestion =
response at the original senders of the tunneled traffic. When an UDP =
tunnel is used for MPLS payload traffic that is known at configuration =
time not to be IP-based and congestion-controlled, the UDP tunnel SHOULD =
employ an appropriate congestion control mechanism as described in =
[RFC3985]. Note that it STRONGLY RECOMMENDED to deploy such =
encapsulation technology only within a SP network or networks of an =
adjacent set of co-operating SPs, rather than over the Internet. =
Furthermore, packet filters should be added to block traffic with the =
UDP port number for MPLS over UDP to prevent MPLS over UDP packets to =
escape from the service provider networks due to misconfiguation or =
packet errors.

I think it would be better to describe the OAM control loop in (some) =
more detail, rather than pointing to RFC3985, which doesn't have a whole =
lot of detail either. Also because the adding of firewall rules requires =
an OAM hook.

Since STRONGLY RECOMMENDED is not an RFC2119 term and RECOMMENDED is too =
weak, I'd suggest to change this to MUST.

Finally, the applicability statement should be prominently made in the =
abstract, introduction, etc.

Lars

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