Re: [Ntp] Quick review of WGLC for status change for draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries

Harlan Stenn <stenn@nwtime.org> Fri, 12 August 2022 09:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ntp] Quick review of WGLC for status change for draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries
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On 8/12/2022 2:01 AM, Leif Johansson wrote:
>>
>> Most disturbing.
>>
>> Does anybody really think rough consensus will produce a high-quality result?
> 
> Since rough consensus and running code is THE central tenet of the IETF I’d say you are not only in the rough here but not even in the same zip-code as the fairway
The NTP Project has been delivering very well-running code for decades.

What's being discussed now may be rough consensus, but there is no 
running code for what's going on with the current proposals.

My comments are based on my experience with actual running code.

> Cheers Leif

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