Re: [Ntp] Quick review of WGLC for status change for draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries

[Harlan Stenn <[e-mail]>]

For whatever it's worth...

I am opposed to the advancement/adoption of this document.

The NTP Project is opposed to the advancement/adoption of this document.

If this document is advanced, the NTP Project and I can only hope and 
strongly recommend that IANA (or whomever) will take significant/primary 
input from the NTP Project on the selection of the experts that will 
oversee the maintenance of the various registries described in this 
document.

The problems I (and the NTP Project) have with this document include, 
but are not limited to:

- it uses far too many words to say far too little.  In other places it 
uses far too few words to say even less, except where it says nothing 
about various significant aspects of the registries.

- Table 1 is incomplete.  It does not include the value used by RFC 
7821, and it frequently refers to values that are "reserved for historic 
reasons" without further explanation.  This leads me to:

- The document does not describe (ignores?) 22 years of conscious design 
decisions around the two versions (revisions?) of extension field 
syntax, which Dave Mills and I have previous spent 3+ years' time and 
effort (10 document revisions) in documenting, in 
draft-stenn-ntp-extension-fields.

- Without documented recognition of the underlying design decisions of 
NTP Extension Fields and the guidance/expectations/safeguards that 
design codifies, there seems to be little hope that future extension 
field work will be done in a way that will safely evolve in a way that 
is easily implementable or can be relied upon to be compatible.  This 
lack of documentation about the expected layout of NTP Extension Fields 
simply opens the door to chaos, or at least sub-par decisions.

H

On 7/29/2022 1:41 PM, Karen O'Donoghue wrote:
> You are always free to send comments, but we cannot wait indefinitely 
> for your contribution. At this stage, no one has raised any concerns 
> with the document.
> 
> Karen
> 
> *From: *Harlan Stenn <[e-mail]>
> *Date: *Friday, July 29, 2022 at 4:08 PM
> *To: *Karen O'Donoghue <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> *Subject: *Re: [Ntp] Quick review of WGLC for status change for 
> draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries
> 
> I can still send them, if it will be good for anything.
> 
> And the point remains that *nobody* else saw any of the problems with
> the document.
> 
> H
> 
> On 7/29/2022 12:19 PM, Karen O'Donoghue wrote:
>> Harlan,
>> 
>> There were no negative comments received. You had indicated that you 
>> were going to provide comments, but these comments were never received.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Karen
>> 
>> *From: *ntp <[e-mail]> on behalf of Harlan Stenn 
>> <[e-mail]>
>> *Date: *Friday, July 29, 2022 at 3:08 PM
>> *To: *[e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Ntp] Quick review of WGLC for status change for 
>> draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries
>> 
>> Very sad and sorry to hear this.
>> 
>> Were no comments received that point out the problems with the document?
>> 
>> On 7/29/2022 11:30 AM, Karen O'Donoghue wrote:
>>> NTP working group,
>>> 
>>> The Updating the NTP Registries draft has passed WGLC; however, during 
>>> the shepherd writeup process, we identified that it should be Standards 
>>> track instead of Informational. Rich has updated/uploaded a new version 
>>> of the draft that addresses this and a few editorial issues raised by 
>>> Dieter. Given the change in status, we would like to issue a very short 
>>> review of the WGLC to see if there are any concerns regarding the change 
>>> in document type. Please respond if you have any questions or concerns 
>>> by Friday 5 August.
>>> 
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries/ 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries/>
>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries/ 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries/>>
>>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries/ 
>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries/ 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-update-registries/>>>
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>> 
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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