Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfautz-service-provider-identifier-urn-01
"Worley, Dale R (Dale)" <dworley@avaya.com> Mon, 26 September 2011 15:38 UTC
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From: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" <dworley@avaya.com>
To: Hadriel Kaplan <HKaplan@acmepacket.com>, "PFAUTZ, PENN L" <pp3129@att.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:41:04 -0400
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Subject: Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfautz-service-provider-identifier-urn-01
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> From: Hadriel Kaplan [HKaplan@acmepacket.com] > > So I asked some people about why ITAD wasn't what they wanted to use > for SPIDs, and they said exactly what you said above: > > > because the existing ones were intended for other purposes and > > already had many registrations > > It's the latter part (that they already have many registrations) that > I think is really why people don't want to use ITADs, and that's what > worries me in a weird way... because it implies they think some new > SPID registry won't be populated with junk. It will be. I think there are two overlapping flavors of this distaste. One is the symbolism of membership in a registry. There is going to be a visceral desire that the registry is "for service providers, but not limited to traditional telephony". However, if there are enough identifiers that we don't risk running out, it really doesn't matter who or what is allowed into the registry. The other flavor is what Hadriel says, "we don't want the registry filled with junk". But the reality, the *meta-design principle*, is that if you have a system that can actually keep the junk out, you will also be keeping out something you want to let in. Dale
- [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfautz-s… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard L. Barnes
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey