Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfautz-service-provider-identifier-urn-01
Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> Tue, 27 September 2011 17:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfautz-service-provider-identifier-urn-01
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On 9/27/11 11:19 AM, Richard Shockey wrote: > +1 > > Of all the things to worry about here I doubt this is one of them. > > Personally I think folks and enterprises small or large prefer buy services > from service providers even if the service provider is internal to the > enterprise or cloud. Life is too short. Having once been in the business of setting up internet connections for small technology companies all the way up to big retail/industrial firms, I can say that most of them really WANTED to own their IP address space so that they could, if they wanted to, dual-home it via two connections and advertise the routes via BGP routing adverts. I therefore suspect that more of them want to have SPIDs than you might expect. So while I think that SPID is a Very Important Thing and I'm strongly sympathetic to the "just reuse ITAD" argument (and no, the reference to "telephone" in ITAD doesn't bother me; all of telephony and all of the Internet are semantically merging anyhow), it does seem that we might want to think about address space concerns. We're at about ten billion entities today -- some "natural persons", others "legal persons" like corporations, co-ops, government branches, independent business units of a larger entity, ships, factories, warehouses, office buildings, and so on. With any luck, the population will merely double over the next generation. It could be worse. Also with any luck, we're going to need comms identifiers for interplanetary and perhaps extrasolar resources. Not to mention the "internet of things". How many SPIDs does a swarm of von Neumann probes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_machine) require so that all of those little ETs can phone home? Just one, or are they going to subdomain by stellar cluster? While I don't expect every entity to require a SPID, there's an argument to be made that the number needed might well exceed 32-bits worth at some point in time. Consider also the model of "permanent allocation". We don't currently reclaim ITAD numbers from failed entities or those who no longer need them. Given churn and time, that will eventually eat up a lot of numbers. If we only issue a million a year, we burn through 4,294,967,296 in a mere 4,294 years. But if we're issuing a hundred million a year, we've only got a 42 year window. Of course, one could do "reclamation" within a number space. For example, the PEN registered to KRAP might, on Hadriel's expiry, be sold with his effects. This artificial scarcity potentially creates a lucrative market. Consider that New York City taxicab medallions have historically been a safer investment than gold; supposedly they have never declined in value, and currently sell for somewhere north of $600,000 each. I believe that New Mexico state liquor licenses have similar properties. If we have a 10% annual reclamation cycle, we can issue 4.2 million "recycled" numbers a year in perpetuity. But if it isn't our intention to assure a perpetual funding model for IANA based on artificial scarcity of numeric resources occurring a few hundred years from now, perhaps we'd benefit from a larger address space. On the other hand, perhaps we're being wildly optimistic about the importance of the SPID and the future demand for them. One might also note that 32 bits is a nice fixed-length number in binary (32 digits), quaternary (16 digits), or hexadecimal (8 digits). Why are we restricting ourselves to 10 decimal digits, which doesn't map to anything binary in a very nice way? -- Dean
- [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfautz-s… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard L. Barnes
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey