Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfautz-service-provider-identifier-urn-01
Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> Tue, 04 October 2011 19:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfautz-service-provider-identifier-urn-01
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On 10/4/11 1:34 PM, Richard Shockey wrote: > Reclamation is hard ..been there done that with phone numbers. > > I haven't seen any use case other than a casual suggestion from Hadriel that > one may be necessary. > > Contact data ..maybe but in any event I don't see the immediate need for a > cost recovery mechanism. Okay, if you don't NEED reclamation, and you don't NEED a contact mechanism, and you don't NEED a cost-recovery mechanism to pay for the administration, then you don't appear to NEED anything other than an ITAD. You might WANT something that walks like an ITAD, talks like an ITAD, and quacks like an ITAD, but that "just isn't an ITAD". As many people have pointed out, that's not a strong justification for doing anything other than ITAD, because we already have ITAD. So, why should the IETF satisfy that which you WANT but do not NEED, when we've already satisfied that which you NEED? We like you, Rich, but we're really lazy. We REQUIRE a stronger reason. If, on the other hand, there were some sort of operational requirement or behavior that makes SPID different from ITAD, or that makes the administration of SPID different from the administration of ITAD, then we might have a justification for doing it. -- Dean
- [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfautz-s… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard L. Barnes
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfau… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Kevin P. Fleming
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID draft-pfautz… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Dean Willis
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Adam Roach
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Worley, Dale R (Dale)
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [RAI] [drinks] FW: Global Service Provider ID… Richard Shockey