Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID - draft-pfautz-service-provider-identifier-urn-01

Penn,
If economics and regulation conspire to make it valuable to do so, then
what stops someone from writing an iPhone app that makes everyone a service
provider?
I try to see what unintended consequences may result if not managed in
advance.
Mike

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:14 PM, PFAUTZ, PENN L <pp3129@att.com> wrote:

>  Mike:****
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> E.164 number serving carriers is but one application but even there we are
> not talking about limiting to carriers-of-record as defined in RFC5067. On
> the other hand I don’t see SPID as the kind of thing every Internet
> addressable entity would have (i.e., IPv6 addresses). I don’t even see the
> number of SPIDs approaching the order of magnitude number of people on the
> planet based on existing use cases.****
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> *From:* Michael Hammer [mailto:mphmmr@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:56 AM
> *To:* PFAUTZ, PENN L
> *Cc:* Dean Willis; rai@ietf.org
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> *Subject:* Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID -
> draft-pfautz-service-provider-identifier-urn-01****
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> Penn,****
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> If the basis of the distrution is owners of E.164 numbers, then that
> implicitly limits the number of SPs possible (and thus SPIDs needed), since
> other arrangements limit who may be delegated those numbers.****
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>  ****
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> If there is no basis and anyone may apply, then the distribution tail could
> extend to the limits of how many entities are addressable on the Internet,
> aka the number of IPv6 addresses.****
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>  ****
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> The question is whether there Should be some threshhold over which the
> owner of some addresses would be deemed too small to be a "service
> provider"?  (Cut the tail off at some point.)****
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>  ****
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> The derivative of that will also determine the likely number of
> registrations per year and the load on IANA.****
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> Mike Hammer****
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> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:08 AM, PFAUTZ, PENN L <pp3129@att.com> wrote:***
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> Dean:
> I see the case as being..." more of a long-tailed distribution where a few
> SPIDs have
> tens-of-millions of entities and it tapers off to the right" if by entities
> we mean E.164 numbers or some other form of identifiers.
>
> That is certainly how it would be the for use cases that the drinks WG, the
> GSMA, and the i3 Forum are looking at.
>
> Penn Pfautz
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> From: rai-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rai-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dean
> Willis
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:29 PM
> To: rai@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [RAI] Global Service Provider ID -
> draft-pfautz-service-provider-identifier-urn-01
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> On 9/28/11 3:27 PM, Richard Shockey wrote:
> > Yea .. 4.3 million "possible" registrations and what is in the registry
> 1482
> > registrations.
> >
> > Plus ICANN certainly has the money ..too much money if you ask me.
>
> Nothing says they can't charge for a registration. So Adam's right; if
> business booms, they'll find a way to make an industry out of it. Not
> our worry. (But I do want to see the face of somebody at IANA when we
> tell them we're planning for 1,000,000 registrations a year).
>
> However, making sure they don't run out of inventory probably IS our
> problem.
>
>
> While I agree that 32 bits is PROBABLY enough for the forseeable future,
> if we're going to do something besides ITAD then we might as well go to
> 64. But if we're happy with ITAD structurally, there may not be enough
> justification to do more.
>
> At 100 entities per SPID, 32 bits gives us some 430 million entities.
> That's rather short of the 20 billion entities we might see in the very
> near term. Even at 1000 entities per SPID, we're still a factor of 5
> short in the near term.
>
> So what sort of entities-per-SPID ratio are we willing to assume?
> Remember that some entities may have more than one number (I have, at
> last count, 23, including the four companies I currently control).
>
> Is it more of a long-tailed distribution where a few SPIDs have
> tens-of-millions of entities and it tapers off to the right?
>
> --
> Dean
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