Re: [rtcweb] Microsoft tells W3C and IETF what we are doing no signs of offering real world interoperability

"Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" <fluffy@cisco.com> Mon, 06 August 2012 20:00 UTC

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On Aug 6, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Rohit Puri wrote:

> Based on our experiences at TenHands Inc. where we are trying to build a RT video-centric collaboration service, the goal cited in MSFT proposal (http://html5labs.com/cu-rtc-web/cu-rtc-web.htm), namely:
> 
> "Flexibility in its support of popular media formats and codecs as well as openness to future innovation—A successful standard cannot be tied to individual codecs, data formats or scenarios. They may soon be supplanted by newer versions, which would make such a tightly coupled standard obsolete just as quickly. The right approach is instead to to support multiple media formats and to bring the bulk of the logic to the application layer, enabling developers to innovate. "
> 
> sounds like a great idea. 

and every proposal from any company or individual that I can recall being sent to theses WGs has had exactly that property. So it is sort of disappointing to see Microsoft present it as if their proposal was somehow different in this regards.