Re: [rtcweb] Microsoft tells W3C and IETF what we are doing no signs of offering real world interoperability
"Jim Barnett" <Jim.Barnett@genesyslab.com> Mon, 06 August 2012 21:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Microsoft tells W3C and IETF what we are doing no signs of offering real world interoperability
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As I recall, we recently discussed the idea of an API abstraction on top of the SDP and rejected it. I think that the reasoning was that it was an unnecessary complication. - Jim -----Original Message----- From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kevin P. Fleming Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 5:07 PM To: rtcweb@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Microsoft tells W3C and IETF what we are doing no signs of offering real world interoperability On 08/06/2012 03:19 PM, Justin Uberti wrote: > Note also that pre- and post-processing of media are not covered by > this proposal, those concepts are in the domain of MediaStream (and > post-processing is possible today through various methods). > > In fact, I think the primary novel features of this proposal are: > - SessionDescriptions are true objects, instead of wrappers around SDP > - Additional control over the ICE Agent > > However, no use cases have yet been outlined that require this > functionality. I doubt you'll ever see a use case that *requires* SessionDescription objects, since the identical behavior can be achieved (in most cases) by handling SDP directly. As has been previously discussed, though, using objects would make life easier for JS developers, and might lead to more natural solutions to problems that have been recently posted on this list (like inspection of offers to determine which parts should be accepted and which should not). -- Kevin P. Fleming Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies Jabber: kfleming@digium.com | SIP: kpfleming@digium.com | Skype: kpfleming 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA Check us out at www.digium.com & www.asterisk.org _______________________________________________ rtcweb mailing list rtcweb@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
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