Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experiment-05
Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Mon, 23 April 2012 16:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experiment-05
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> I'm arguing that the current text remain. Scott is right that because what's there has rough consensus, he does not need to establish consensus to leave it there. That said, I think the current text ill-serves the document, so let me try again. How about this, which I think does not attempt to attribute anything but the Experimental requirement to the old IESG: OLD Due to the absence of consensus behind one or the other, and because Sender-ID supported use of the same policy statement defined by SPF, the IESG at the time was concerned that an implementation of Sender-ID might erroneously apply that statement to a message and, depending on selected recipient actions, could improperly interfere with message delivery. As a result, the IESG required the publication of all of these documents as Experimental, and requested that the community observe deployment and operation of the protocols over a period of two years from the date of publication in order to determine a reasonable path forward. NEW Consensus did not clearly support one protocol over the other, and there was significant concern that the two would conflict in some significant operational situations, interfering with message delivery. The IESG required the publication of all of these documents as Experimental, and requested that the community observe deployment and operation of the protocols over a period of two years from the date of publication in order to determine a reasonable path forward. Does that work? I think it says what it needs to say without trying to either blame anyone or get into historical details that are not necessary in this document. Barry
- [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experiment-05 Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… John Leslie
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… John Leslie
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dotzero
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Andrew Sullivan
- [spfbis] Moderator note (was: Review of draft-iet… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Moderator note (was: Review of draft… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Moderator note (was: Review of draft… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dotzero
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Commerco WebMaster
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Douglas Otis
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Douglas Otis
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy