Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experiment-05
Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Mon, 23 April 2012 16:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experiment-05
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> Still, in the sense that we use it > here, references that are central to the understanding of the document > at hand are usually considered to be normative. DNS is arguable, but > I'd say no. I think the references to PRA, SENDER-ID, SPF, and > SUBMITTER are normative. You think that SPF or Sender ID could function without the DNS specification??? That is, what is it you think might be arguable about classing it as a normative reference? [Barry] No. I'm saying that you need to understand SPF, etc, to understand this doc, but you probably don't need to understand DNS to understand this doc. Normativity isn't transitive. That said, because there is talk in here about the RR types, I'm happy if we also say that DNS is a normative reference. I'm not happy to have the RFC 440x docs NOT be normative. Barry
- [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experiment-05 Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… John Leslie
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… John Leslie
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dotzero
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Andrew Sullivan
- [spfbis] Moderator note (was: Review of draft-iet… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Moderator note (was: Review of draft… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Moderator note (was: Review of draft… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dotzero
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Commerco WebMaster
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Douglas Otis
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Douglas Otis
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy