Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experiment-05
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Mon, 23 April 2012 14:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experiment-05
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No hat. On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:02:55AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Facts are not bias. Wanting to sweep them under the rug is bias. What I am > asking for is the exact opposite of bias. This doesn't respond to Murray's question of relevance. It might be that there were a large number of people unwittingly pulled into an experiment when the publication decisions were made. That does not help us in any way to determine the relative uptake of the different technologies. The document is about the results of the experiment, to the extent there was one, and not about the conditions of the experiment as such. Quite frankly, if we had to do an evaluation of this as an experiment, we would have to criticise the experimental design in many ways, and the accidental pollution of the sample base is the least of the problems. But that's not what we're trying to do. So, without discussing the factuality of the claims, why are they relevant? Best, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
- [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experiment-05 Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… John Leslie
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… John Leslie
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dotzero
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Andrew Sullivan
- [spfbis] Moderator note (was: Review of draft-iet… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Moderator note (was: Review of draft… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Moderator note (was: Review of draft… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dotzero
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Barry Leiba
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Commerco WebMaster
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Douglas Otis
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Hector Santos
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… S Moonesamy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Douglas Otis
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Dave Crocker
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [spfbis] Review of draft-ietf-spfbis-experime… Murray S. Kucherawy