Re: New document shepherd writeup

[Michael Tuexen <[e-mail]>]

> On 4. May 2022, at 16:10, Barry Leiba <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
>> When is a person a contributor? Whoever is listed in the Ack section? Why are
>> these persons required to answer such a question?
> 
> Well, truly, BCP 79 requires *anyone* who influenced the outcome in
> any way to be aware of their obligations and to make a disclosure if
> they have anything to disclose.  So this is, really, a fair question.
> 
> Honestly, I think this is just a question of sending a reminder to the
> WG mailing list and asking if there are any disclosures that should be
> made but have not yet been.  It may seem unnecessary, as everyone has
> seen the Note Well, but reminders during WGLC don't hurt anything.
Sending an e-mail to a mailing list is fine. However, in the past I not
only sent an email to the authors and ensured that I got an answer.
I can't ensure that for a larger group, especially if the group is not
well defined...

Best regards
Michael
> 
> Barry
> 
> On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 9:39 AM Michael Tuexen
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 4. May 2022, at 15:12, Lars Eggert <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On 2022-5-4, at 15:46, Joel Halpern <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>> As written, this seems to conflate two different concepts.
>>>> 
>>>> One of which seems to be a new requirement, although sometimes practiced.
>>>> 
>>>> The important existing requirement was that the authors (and by some interpretations the named contributors) confirmed explicitly that all known IPR believed to be relevant has been disclosed. That requires explicit responses from those people.
>>>> 
>>>> This text instead seems to ask if the WG has been reminded that they need ot disclose relevant known IPR.  While a reasonable ask, it is not the same as the preceding and can not be answered the same way.
>>> 
>>> first, the term "interested community" was already used in several places in the previous shepherd writeup template; see https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/blob/5a31658b7f87054237430ee5fab8a23a8b32a7e8/ietf/templates/doc/shepherd_writeup.txt
>>> 
>>> You're correct that a change was made to this original question:
>>> 
>>>      (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate
>>>      IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions
>>>      of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why?
>>> 
>>> The text was broadened to "the interested community", because the shepherd need not only check that the authors have done so, but also that all contributors have done so. We probably should have phrased it as such and not reused the "interested community" term which was already used elsewhere.
>> When is a person a contributor? Whoever is listed in the Ack section? Why are
>> these persons required to answer such a question?
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Michael
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lars
>>> 
>>