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Re: [irsg] New document shepherd writeup

Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 06 May 2022 00:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [irsg] New document shepherd writeup
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Date: Thu, 05 May 2022 17:47:17 -0700
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From my perspective, the thing to do is have an automated message sent to listed authors and contributors asking about IPR when a draft is filed. It gets posted when all of the replies have been received.

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> On May 5, 2022, at 5:03 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> 
> On 6. May 2022, at 01:54, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This whole thread confuses me.
>> 
>> Isn't the reason to subject everyone to repeated instances of NoteWell
>> specifically so that they will know they have to declare IPR?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> (I'm not even sure I understand why we ask authors again, given that)
> 
> Because humans don’t always do what we think they should, much less so always right away.
> 
> Having a milestone where they are compelled to say they are, indeed, now in compliance is good.
> Having collected this statement is also great for the courts (which is why I don’t understand that we don’t have a defined way to collect it).
> 
> My question was how large that class should be, and what should happen if not everyone in the class responds.
> With authors, the game is clear: no declaration of compliance, no authorship of an RFC.
> With other contributors, not so much.
> And it puts a chilling effect on identifying contributors (and their contributions!), which is actually counterproductive.
> 
> Grüße, Carsten
>

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