Re: [6gip] 6G in 3GPP?

John Grant <j@ninetiles.com> Sat, 16 January 2021 12:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [6gip] 6G in 3GPP?
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On 15/01/2021 19:51, David Lake wrote:
> There is this 'contract-based networking' in NewIP that one would win from looking at but ultimately, the contract parties are deemed to simply to their best to achieve their commitments - best effort.
>
> If my PC were to have a contract with each intermediate router that forwarded this datagram it would be unscalable...
>
> <DL> That's not quite what I'm saying.   There are several elements where I think what we CURRENTLY do with the Internet is vastly different from other shared-media networks (e.g. electricity, gas, water in some countries, rail).
Quite. There's no need for the endsystem to have a contract with every 
entity involved in delivering the service.

End-to-end reservation does scale; on any link divide the maximum 
throughput by the granularity of the reservation and that tells you the 
maximum number of flows there can be. And any node only needs to have a 
conversation with its neighbours, not with everything else in the network.

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