Re: [apps-discuss] "finding registered domains"

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Tue, 12 March 2013 22:58 UTC

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From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] "finding registered domains"
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In my use case, it's defined that an example.com policy is used (if it
exists) in the absence of a foo.bar.example.com policy.  The problem is I
don't know how far up the tree to make that second query.

So in my case I explicitly will believe the parent/grandparent/whatever
statement, but I don't know how far up to go, and I don't want to ask
everyone; I only want to ask at most two questions.


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 04:37:10PM -0400, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:
>
> > I am probably making some assumptions here, about which I should be
> careful
> > given the weird hat that's around here somewhere.  It's based on a
> property
> > of WHOIS that exists now, at least with numbers: if I ask for 1.2.3.4,
> then
> > I will get back the registration for the tightest containing subnet
> > registration, and possibly all of them upwards.  If a WEIRDS server did
> the
> > same with names (or could if asked), then example.com would be the
> returned
> > result for foo.bar.example.com.
>
> But why should you believe what example.com says about
> foo.bar.example.com?  If we could believe that, we wouldn't need a new
> mechanism.
>
> A
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