Re: [apps-discuss] "finding registered domains"

Behnam Esfahbod <behnam@zwnj.org> Wed, 13 March 2013 18:30 UTC

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Andrew,

Reading the draft, I couldn't find any definition/description of what an
"administrative realm" or "authority" is. You are trying to address all the
issues listed here (cookies, DN highlighting, etc) but it is not obvious to
me why these all could/should be treated the same way.

For example, company Example may wants to prevent cookie sharing between
its domain (example.com) and their outsourced shopping subdomain (
shop.example.com), but likes to keep the address-bar domain-name
highlighting to "example.com", because of marketing reasons.

So, are you suggesting that there should be one administrative/authority
aspect for domain name hierarchy and the applications SHOULD adopt to this
assumption and behave similarly in different aspects of domain name
hierarchy (again, cookies, DN highlighting, etc)?

Thanks,
-Behnam




On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:07:45AM -0400, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> >
> > The way I would word this problem is that any protocol that depends on
> > more than 5% of parties to deploy before it provides value is doomed
> > and to be successful it probably needs to provide value at a much
> > lower deployment.
>
> I think the proposal I offer needs no more work by anyone tht your
> proposal, and its deployment costs are exactly the same.  The only
> difference between them is that the proposal I've made covers more
> cases because it doesn't depend on the dodgy "public delegation point"
> notion.  That's not the problem you have.  For instance, my employer
> (Dyn) operates a service in dyndns.org that accepts host names from
> customers and puts them in a zone.  There is no delegation.  Yet
> almost every name in the dyndns.org zone is in a different
> administrative realm.  If SOPA existed, we could signal this by
> putting a SOPA record with the root target at dyndns.org.  None of our
> customers would need to do anything.
>
> Best,
>
> A
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