Re: [apps-discuss] The acct: scheme question

Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> Tue, 26 June 2012 15:18 UTC

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Yes, there’s a significant advantage.  It allows the acct: scheme to be approved (or rejected) quickly so that we will know whether it is safe for WebFinger and other specifications to use it.  That approval/rejection can then happen in parallel with refining the discovery specification.

Otherwise, we could be in a position where we think we have a final discovery specification, only to learn that it can’t go forward because of objections to the acct: scheme from the W3C and possibly others.  It would be much better for us to know whether that is the case up front.

                                                            -- Mike

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] The acct: scheme question

Is there any advantage to breaking it out?  The WF draft depends on it and so can't finalize until acct: does, right?

Will one get done more quickly than the other?

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Yes, I believe that the acct: scheme should be considered separately from discovery, in its own document.

                                                            -- Mike

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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] The acct: scheme question


On 22 May 2012 09:22, Murray S. Kucherawy <msk@cloudmark.com<mailto:msk@cloudmark.com>> wrote:
As we prepare to bring webfinger into appsawg, it looks a lot like there’s substantial discussion just on the point of the proposed “acct:” scheme.

So, a question for those tracking the discussion:  Is this a big enough topic that it should be split into its own document?  This would be a useful thing to decide as we figure out how to handle the work once it enters working group mode.

(This by itself has me wondering if we should revisit the conversation about whether webfinger needs its own working group, but I’ll leave it to Barry and Pete to make that call.)

There has been some discussion of this here and on other lists, and the consensus I think is for people to follow the process at :

<uri-review@ietf.org<mailto:uri-review@ietf.org>>.

I think the current state of play is that webfinger can be used with any URI type e.g. mailto: http: acct: etc. acct: is recommended in the RFC.

-MSK

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