Re: [arch-d] New Version Notification for draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Mon, 20 January 2020 02:13 UTC

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Hi SM,

Well spotted. 

I've modified the text in my copy:

"Even before the IETF was established, the Internet technical community has focused on user needs since at least {{?RFC0001}}, which stated..."

Cheers and thanks,


> On 15 Dec 2019, at 2:22 am, S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> There is the following in Section 3: "The IETF has focused on user needs since [RFC0001] ..."  That is like stating that the IETF has focused on user needs since 1969.  How could that be possible if the first IETF meeting was held in 1986?
> 
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
> 

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