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Re: [Asrg] VPNs

Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@nber.org> Tue, 07 July 2009 12:33 UTC

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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Bill Cole wrote:

> Alessandro Vesely wrote, On 7/6/09 6:35 AM:
...
> The overwhelming majority of mail I am offered by the Gmail outbounds is 
> spam. Google has played games with how they will accept abuse reports, giving 
> the appearance of not really wanting them.
>

Are these messages disguised in any way? Just looking at my last week's 
mail, there are 120 messages with "gmail.com" in the envelope-from. Two of 
these are spam, or about .2% of my incoming spam. Am I measuring the wrong 
thing? Or do different users have a different experience of spam? My 
account has been fairly public for over 15 years, so if an MTA were 
spewing a significant proportion of the worlds spam, wouldn't I be getting 
some?

Daniel Feenberg

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