Re: [dnsext] we need help to make names the same, was draft-yao-dnsext-identical-resolution-02 comment

Eric Brunner-Williams <ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net> Sat, 19 February 2011 02:12 UTC

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On 2/18/11 6:09 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> ...
> It is certainly true that the commercial environment today
> concentrates most of the commercial relationships and delegations at
> the top level, and it is also true that most delegations below the top
> level are friendly and co-operative.

agree. a CNOBI (com/net/org/biz/info) "feature" is fine, if, like GMO 
corn and soy, appropriately labeled. it is not a general (generic is a 
word that leads too often back to CNOBI) property of the hierarchical 
system.

> But I'm simply not willing to say, glibly, "The future will resemble
> the past," in this area.  For instance, we are today in a commercial
> environment...

i wish the word "commercial" was paired with "and non-commercial" to 
somehow suggest that the mercantilism at ICANN is not universally 
embraced or of infinite duration.

> ... where the scope for expansion of the top level is very
> large, and there is little reason to believe that all of those new
> operators are going to do exactly the same thing as everyone else
> already has been doing.

+1, though there is a dot-bomb equivalent accumulation of ambition to 
replicate the failed competition policy experiment of 2000 and capture 
more than a cosmetic (and trademark subsidized) fragment of the .com 
market, and an accumulation of ambition to replicate the successful 
communitarian policy experiment of 2004, without trademark subsidy, 
pioneered by Fundacio PuntCat.

what we really don't know (to paraphrase a man who really should be a 
guest of the government) is what will happen outside of the copy-.com 
and copy-.cat trajectories.

> ... We need to design this protocol change for
> cases we can plausibly imagine, not just what we happen to have seen.

err, well, yes in principle, and no in practice. that is, a series of 
pick-according-to-taste-or-belief{blunders, errors, accidents, acts of 
genius} has lead to some specific use cases. han sc/tc. greek tonos. 
failing to solve leads to unintended consequences.

-e