Re: [DNSOP] Draft for dynamic discovery of secure resolvers

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Mon, 20 August 2018 16:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Draft for dynamic discovery of secure resolvers
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Paul Vixie wrote:

> Joe Abley wrote:
> ....
>>  These are the same use-case, just viewed with different bias.
>
> so, DoH's use cases all involve either violating the law, or violating the 
> network operator's security policy? egads, i hope not. the ietf can't be seen 
> backing something that has _no_ legitimate purpose.

None of the hotels, coffeeshops or prepaid SIM cards I buy disallow me
either by corporate policy or by local law to not share my DNS traffic
with them.

Paul