Re: [gaia] Blog on AFRINIC proposal

finding ways about an attempted shutdown is a good idea - see also JIGSAW
at Alphabet.

vint

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:

> Agreed... We still have to deal (as a global community) with the urgency
> of governments controlling traffic shutting down connectivity. Would be
> interesting to be able to share an approach that, in a short or long
> timespan, we could walk to find solutions to this situations.
> One could be cross boarder links, or border IXPs... But I'm not that
> versed in these things to give an opinion
>
>
> On June 3, 2017 4:57:05 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote:
>>
>> the problem with this proposal is that it enters a slippery slope
>> regarding use of the Internet by a party that is responsible for
>> connectivity and not content. While the intent is laudable, it would lead
>> to the same kinds of messes that ICANN is discovering as a result of the
>> semantics associated with domain names. Before any RIR adopts such a
>> proposal, I think there should be some discussion among all the RIRs - and,
>> frankly, I hope that such efforts as this would be rejected as an overshoot
>> of authority.
>>
>> vint
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Vint for sharing your point of view.
>>> If I may give my two cents, through advocacy is that, in the summit here
>>> in nayrobi the community all together wrote the proposal.
>>>
>>> There needs to be stronger efforts to make internet less
>>> country-dependant and more resilient... But these are urgent matters. While
>>> we get to that resilient future, we need to support our communities on
>>> their decisions regarding their own problematics.
>>>
>>> I understand that IP address may seem to be a technical thing, but
>>> governments are hijacking them into a political standpoint.
>>>
>>> Instead of making this a specific action, I would suggest that we could
>>> work out a regulation that requires IP tenants not to shutdown connectivity
>>> as a condition to receive their ranges... Or some sort of agreement on
>>> openness.
>>>
>>> Could it be possible, and would it be useful to tackle this issue? What
>>> do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>> On June 3, 2017 4:41:04 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I implied it: advocacy
>>>>
>>>> v
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Nicolas Pace <nico@libre.ws> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What would be your approach on this matter then? I'm curious to know
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On June 3, 2017 4:36:36 PM GMT+03:00, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My reaction: politicizing IP address allocation is a mistake and
>>>>>> could have enormous, negative consequences including a wide range of
>>>>>> fragmentation and legal intimidation of the RIRs.  Advocacy is fine but
>>>>>> withholding IP addresses for political reasons is not wise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> v
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 5:16 AM, Corinne Cath <corinnecath@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CFR invited me to write a blog about the recent AFRINIC proposal to
>>>>>>> deny IP addresses to governments mandating Internet shutdowns. Might be of
>>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cfr.org/article/should-technical-actors-play-pol
>>>>>>> itical-role-internet-age
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Corinne J.N. Cath
>>>>>>> Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath
>>>>>>> Email: ccath@turing.ac.uk & corinnecath@gmail.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: @C_Cath
>>>>>>>
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